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but west bay builders told cbs 5, damage to the tree was unavoidable. rays will love to spend hours in her backyard, now it's just not the same. >> we wanted it to stay up. >> the tree will be removed in the next couple of days and the contractor is expected to pay for damage. in berkeley, elizabeth cook, cbs 5. >>> coming up, it will be one last trip for shuttle bus. this one on the streets of southern california. the one thing needed to get endeavor on the road....
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this is the "cbs morning news". i'm terrell brown in new york. this is the "cbs morning news". i love my extrabucks rewards, and right now, they're doubling! so, when i shop -- i earn twice as much with double extrabucks rewards. that's two times the rewards! yeah, that's what double is. i know. i was agreeing with you. it's two times. act fast and sign up at cvs.com/doublebucks for double quarterly extrabucks rewards. don't miss getting double quarterly extrabucks rewards. i love 'em! >>> a soldier got a hero's welcome when he returned home to michigan this week after his third tour of duty in afghanistan. elaine quijano reports it's been a long journey from the battlefield to a high school homecoming. >> reporter: the homecoming game in michigan always draws a big crowd. but this year was special. they welcomed home one of their favorite football stars, a man who went on to become army staff sergeant travis mills. >> this is awesome. okay. yeah. >> reporter: mills was on his third tour in afghanistan. in april a bomb exploded beneath him. >> sat my bag down and five, six seco
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cb pelley: jan, thank you. cbs news live coverage of the easteresidential debate begins right here at 9:00 eastern time come dat is 6:00 in the west. e stelection will come down, of -uurse, to nine states that are toss-ups today and will tip the balance on election night. tonight, we have new polling from three of them. in virginia, our quinnipiac university/cbs news/"new york times" poll finds the president's lead up a point, 51% to 46%. .n colorado, the lead has flipped. consin, ney now ahead 48% to 47. and in wisconsin, home state of paul ryan, the president's lead has been cut in half. it is now 50% to 47%. dean reynolds is in another of the swing states, north carolina, with more about our poll tonight. dean. >> reporter: scott, governor romney has just finished speaking here at a big rally in ashville, north carolina, riding rising republican enthusiasm over this tightening race. pull awapoll today helps to explain why neither candidate seems able to pull away. ( applause ) in colorado, romney moved sligh
cb pelley: jan, thank you. cbs news live coverage of the easteresidential debate begins right here at 9:00 eastern time come dat is 6:00 in the west. e stelection will come down, of -uurse, to nine states that are toss-ups today and will tip the balance on election night. tonight, we have new polling from three of them. in virginia, our quinnipiac university/cbs news/"new york times" poll finds the president's lead up a point, 51% to 46%. .n colorado, the lead has flipped. consin, ney...
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captioning sponsored by cbs this is the "cbs evening news" with scott pelley. >> pelley: good evening. the united states is facing an attack threat equivalent to 9/11, an attack that would be carried out by computer. that was the stark warning from defense secretary leon panetta. he described a cyber pearl harbor in which attackers could take over computers that control the transportation system or a utility with deadly consequences. panetta's dire prediction comes after a massive computer attack on the world's largest oil company. so we asked david martin to tell us more. >> reporter: u.s. officials say a cyber attack against aramco, the world's largest oil producer, has been traced to hackers inside iran. another volley in an increasingly high stakes war going on in cyberspace. and defense secretary panetta warns potential enemies, including iran, are developing the capability to launch devastating attacks. >> the collective result of these kinds of attacks could be a cyber pearl harbor. an attack that would cause physical destruction and the loss of life. an attack that would paral
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the cbs poll was not random sampling. those people were previously selected and it was an online poll. the cnn poll -- >> stephanie: how can they know ahead of time what is going to happen. >> they know ahead of times they are going to be asked after words. matter of fact a lot of them didn't have computers -- >> stephanie: all right. we have to go to break. >> it seems to me if you call people randomly out of the phone back that's not very scientific at all. >> right. >> stephanie: eightteen minutes after the hour, right back on the "stephanie miller show." ♪ the natural energy of peanuts and delicious, soft caramel. to fill you up and keep you moving, whatever your moves. payday. fill up and go! >>i jump out of my skin at people when i'm upset. they're doing this this corruption based on corruption based on corruption. >>that's an understatement, eliot. ♪ >> announcer: stephanie miller. ♪ baby can you feel it the beat is on ♪ >> stephanie: that's funny. someone sent me this split screen of paul ryan gulping comp
the cbs poll was not random sampling. those people were previously selected and it was an online poll. the cnn poll -- >> stephanie: how can they know ahead of time what is going to happen. >> they know ahead of times they are going to be asked after words. matter of fact a lot of them didn't have computers -- >> stephanie: all right. we have to go to break. >> it seems to me if you call people randomly out of the phone back that's not very scientific at all. >>...
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housing sjxsna1prices cbequall >> one ú9tz lch ~;jvñeducation is always going Òhas hard. to different things. we need a diversity of approaches in the education, if last thing we should do Ñ"o nationalize education from a department out of washington. one size doesn't fit all in education. washington doesn't know best. we should get rid of federal education department and not because it's too expensive because we care so much and we are paying right now to harm our children, we should stop. >> afghanistan, do you see an end in sight? >> we went in to afghanistan, we were justified in to going in to afghanistan because they refused to bring osama bin laden to justice for his role in the 9/11 attacks. osama bin laden is dead. there is no further reason for us to be in afghanistan. we should bring the troops home as soon as we can. let the living get on with their lives. >> health care, this is a big issue right now. obama has hung his head on this, romney says he will appeal it. what are your thoughts. >> if we want health care to be affordable and available, we got to mak
housing sjxsna1prices cbequall >> one ú9tz lch ~;jvñeducation is always going Òhas hard. to different things. we need a diversity of approaches in the education, if last thing we should do Ñ"o nationalize education from a department out of washington. one size doesn't fit all in education. washington doesn't know best. we should get rid of federal education department and not because it's too expensive because we care so much and we are paying right now to harm our children, we...
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cbs news and g.f.k.'s knowledge panel put together a scientifically selected samples of about 500 of those voters to watch the debate tonight and afterward we asked them what they thought about it. anthony mason has the results of our instant poll. >> reporter: in democrats were hoping joe biden would put up a firewall for them tonight it look like he may have succeed. immediately after the debate we asked those uncommitted voters which candidate did the best job or won tonight's debate. fully half, 50%, said they thought joe biden did, paul ryan got 31% b19% of the uncommitted voters saw the debate as a tie. we asked now that the debate is over, which of the candidates can you relate to, you'll see a jump for both candidates. before the debate, 34% said they related to joe biden. that jumped to 55%. paul ryan saw a jump from 31% to 48%. the uncommitted we surveyed saw both candidate as very knowledgeable. we asked after the debate who do you think was more knowledgeable. 85% said they saw joe biden as kn
cbs news and g.f.k.'s knowledge panel put together a scientifically selected samples of about 500 of those voters to watch the debate tonight and afterward we asked them what they thought about it. anthony mason has the results of our instant poll. >> reporter: in democrats were hoping joe biden would put up a firewall for them tonight it look like he may have succeed. immediately after the debate we asked those uncommitted voters which candidate did the best job or won tonight's debate....
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there's something funny about that. >> i think the cbs poll is. >> i'm hearing the cbs poll. i'm not sure if people even watched the debate that were polled in the cbs poll. >> it was undecided debate watchers supposedly. so the interesting thing is, you know, i think biden did what he had to do, which is to get the ticket back on target. >> yeah. >> why don't we watch some clips. >> really? you don't want to give an opinion? okay. the night began on the -- >> mika, what's wrong, mika? you're being so rude. i think -- what do you think? >> yes. i think biden just completely trounced him. ate him for dinner and then spit him out on the table like little shrivelled piece of something. i don't know what. i mean, seriously. >> i didn't see that. >> really? okay. well, that's funny because you had very clear opinions after the last debate. but you have very unclear opinions after this one. and i think it might be because you're a little uncomfortable about it. >> i will say, mika -- >> hold on. that's just nonsense. what's wrong with you? >> how do you think it went? >> i think jo
there's something funny about that. >> i think the cbs poll is. >> i'm hearing the cbs poll. i'm not sure if people even watched the debate that were polled in the cbs poll. >> it was undecided debate watchers supposedly. so the interesting thing is, you know, i think biden did what he had to do, which is to get the ticket back on target. >> yeah. >> why don't we watch some clips. >> really? you don't want to give an opinion? okay. the night began on the --...
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biden won in the cbs poll. paul ryan having a four-point edge in the cnn snap poll. much more ahead. you're watching ms nbc's live coverage of the vice presidential debate. >>> mitt romney's a good man. he cares about 100% of americans in this country. i think the vice president very well knows that sometimes the words don't come out of your mouth the right way. >> but i always say what i mean. yeah, i'm looking to save, but i'm not sure which policy is right for me. you should try our coverage checker. it helps you see if you have too much coverage or not enough, making it easier to get what you need. [ beeping ] these are great! [ beeping ] how are you, um, how are you doing? i'm going to keep looking over here. probably a good idea. ken: what's a good idea? nothing. with coverage checker, it's easy to find your perfect policy. visit progressive.com today. >>> i thought joe biden was terrific tonight. i could not be prouder of him. i thought he made a very strong case, and, you know, i really think that his p
biden won in the cbs poll. paul ryan having a four-point edge in the cnn snap poll. much more ahead. you're watching ms nbc's live coverage of the vice presidential debate. >>> mitt romney's a good man. he cares about 100% of americans in this country. i think the vice president very well knows that sometimes the words don't come out of your mouth the right way. >> but i always say what i mean. yeah, i'm looking to save, but i'm not sure which policy is right for me. you should...
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. >> rose: john dickerson just joined us, my colleague at cbs. i just raised a question of whether this debate in any way until we see the next presidential debate either enhanced or stopped in any way the romney momentum coming out of the first debate and the change it had brought. >> i think what it did is it gave democrats something to be, you know, get their blood going again, there was a lot of chaos and fury and then biden hit every point the president missed from talking about the 47 percent video to talking about detroit, to encapsulating the general argument which is that the romney-ryan ticket, this is of course the argument coming from the obama team that the romney-ryan ticket is just kind of so over the top in their claims that they are laughable, now that sucker for democrats, the question is, independents and swing voters who could very well have seen biden's attempt to turn ryan into dan quayle, which i don't think worked, see that and think he is arrogant, think he is a little too full of himself for an a administration that had
. >> rose: john dickerson just joined us, my colleague at cbs. i just raised a question of whether this debate in any way until we see the next presidential debate either enhanced or stopped in any way the romney momentum coming out of the first debate and the change it had brought. >> i think what it did is it gave democrats something to be, you know, get their blood going again, there was a lot of chaos and fury and then biden hit every point the president missed from talking...
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there's a cbs poll of, i think, voters where he has won 50-30. i don't put a lot of stock in the polls but there's an audience out there that we were talking to, the democratic base, number one, and independent voters and there's a great -- polls aren't worth much in the last 25 days, having biden winning 50-30. this isn't about polls miechlt dad took the opportunity to speak directly to the american people and spoke about paul ryan's plan to voucherize medicare. what i was struck by as a veteran is paul ryan last night suggested, left the door wide open for, if not suggested putting additional troops in afghanistan. and, you know, this is after he spent the first half of his answer saying he didn't have any difference with the time line that my father and the president set for getting out of afghanistan. then he went on about how we should have additional troops in afghanistan, the most dangerous part of the most dangerous country in the world. i thought that was the most remarkable moment and i thought it highlighted -- paul ryan's a nice guy,
there's a cbs poll of, i think, voters where he has won 50-30. i don't put a lot of stock in the polls but there's an audience out there that we were talking to, the democratic base, number one, and independent voters and there's a great -- polls aren't worth much in the last 25 days, having biden winning 50-30. this isn't about polls miechlt dad took the opportunity to speak directly to the american people and spoke about paul ryan's plan to voucherize medicare. what i was struck by as a...
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cnn poll found more people said that congressman ryan won, that is 48-44 percent but look at this, a cbs news poll of uncommitted voters showed that biden won by double digits, 50-31 with a sizable number saying it was a tie. snap polls like those represent fewers' gut reaction to the debate which can change over time. it is still not quite clear whether any of this will matter. in the past the v.p. showdowns rarely make a difference when voters ultimately head to the polls. john roberts with the news from richmond, virginia, are governor romney campaigned today. what dough we hear from the campaign today? >> well, not surprisingly we are hearing from both sides they won and based on the polls you just pointed out, they may be right. not surprisingly both sides are attacking each other over things that were said last night. obama campaign taking aide at romney saying they will cut taxes 20 percent across the board and paul ryan would not come up with details. >> we want to work with congress on how to achieve this. this means successful. >> no specifics? >> we saying lower tax rates 20 p
cnn poll found more people said that congressman ryan won, that is 48-44 percent but look at this, a cbs news poll of uncommitted voters showed that biden won by double digits, 50-31 with a sizable number saying it was a tie. snap polls like those represent fewers' gut reaction to the debate which can change over time. it is still not quite clear whether any of this will matter. in the past the v.p. showdowns rarely make a difference when voters ultimately head to the polls. john roberts with...
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romney told cbs? august he would consider spending in troop in syria to stop chemical weapons. but it took the obama administration two full weeks to admit the terrorism behind the benghazi attack. but that is not true. and ryan attacked the administration for spending tax-payer dollars on electric cars in finland. he is referring to a loan from the energy department to the car maker fiskar so they could create electric cars. that loan money came from a program passed in 2007 before obama took off. we'll be right back. ♪ [ crowd cheers ] [ male announcer ] clay matthews is turning the nfl upside-down. turn your world upside down with gillette fusion proglide because you can shave against the grain with comfort. only proglide has gillette's thinnest blades for less tug and pull, so you can shave against the grain comfortably. fusion proglide, our most comfortable shave or twice your money back. ♪ ♪ gillette the best a man can get. [♪ theme music ♪] >> announcer: broadcasting across the nation on your radio, and on current tv. this is the "bill press show." >> bill: the
romney told cbs? august he would consider spending in troop in syria to stop chemical weapons. but it took the obama administration two full weeks to admit the terrorism behind the benghazi attack. but that is not true. and ryan attacked the administration for spending tax-payer dollars on electric cars in finland. he is referring to a loan from the energy department to the car maker fiskar so they could create electric cars. that loan money came from a program passed in 2007 before obama took...
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biden won in the cbs poll. paul ryan having a four-point edge in the cnn snap poll. much more ahead. you're watching ms nbc's live coverage of the vice presidential debate. >>> mitt romney's a good man. he cares about 100% of americans in this country. i think the vice president very well knows that sometimes the words don't come out of your mouth the right way. >> but i always say what i mean. [ male announcer ] wouldn't it be cool if we took the nissan altima and reimagined nearly everything in it? gave it greater horsepower and best in class 38 mpg highway... advanced headlights... and zero gravity seats? yeah, that would be cool. ♪ introducing the completely reimagined nissan altima. it's our most innovative altima ever. nissan. innovation that excites. ♪ no, no, no, stop! humans -- one day, we're coming up with the theory of relativity, the next... stop, stop, stop! my car! not so much. but that's okay. you're covered with great ideas like optional better car replacement from liberty mutual insurance.
biden won in the cbs poll. paul ryan having a four-point edge in the cnn snap poll. much more ahead. you're watching ms nbc's live coverage of the vice presidential debate. >>> mitt romney's a good man. he cares about 100% of americans in this country. i think the vice president very well knows that sometimes the words don't come out of your mouth the right way. >> but i always say what i mean. [ male announcer ] wouldn't it be cool if we took the nissan altima and reimagined...
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. >> even having joe biden win the cbs but not by a huge margin and then the cnn poll among all voters, paul ryan had the advantage. it was almost a split decision, not only in that focus group but also the insta-polls. democrats loved it, republicans didn't. people are split and i think that's your verdict. >> speaking of focus groups, we get the sense that the obama campaign is going to be effective? >> i think joe biden gave them a road map. abortion was a hit on romney and ryan. it was almost like obama was a little too cold the first debate. joe biden was was hot and goldi might come. >> he has to find goldilocks. stick around because this was not the feistiest debate of the night. i'll give you nasty, go to arizona. >>> who was the last chief justice nominated to the supreme court by a democrat? it's chief justice fred vincent or as he is known here on campus dead fred. vinson was appointed to the high court by president harry truman is an iconic college alum. they take his portrait to every home football game and other big events on campus. dead fred was there for the first thri
. >> even having joe biden win the cbs but not by a huge margin and then the cnn poll among all voters, paul ryan had the advantage. it was almost a split decision, not only in that focus group but also the insta-polls. democrats loved it, republicans didn't. people are split and i think that's your verdict. >> speaking of focus groups, we get the sense that the obama campaign is going to be effective? >> i think joe biden gave them a road map. abortion was a hit on romney and...
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cbs news asked the question after the debate who won. 50% said joe biden 31% said paul ryan. cnn had a poll as well. who won? paul ryan 48%, joe biden 44%. cnn parentally republicans were oversampled more than usual in a cnn poll. so that may be why that number's high up. and i'm going to give david and jonathan a chance to catch their breath and get your analysis. i've been flying all morning long and i'm not into man fights. this notion, the headline will be can president obama duplicate, replicate, pick up where biden left off, that is what matters here. >> i think that will be the headline starting tomorrow. we done the have to wait till tuesday. >> right. >> the fact that there's no unanimity of agreement like last week. last week everybody knew what happened, democrats, republicans alike agree, it had not been president obama's best night. last night both sides are defending their guy and i think it was probably close to being a quote, unquote, tie. but it doesn't really matter if it doesn't show up in the polls, four, five, sitch days later, a week later. i suspect we'
cbs news asked the question after the debate who won. 50% said joe biden 31% said paul ryan. cnn had a poll as well. who won? paul ryan 48%, joe biden 44%. cnn parentally republicans were oversampled more than usual in a cnn poll. so that may be why that number's high up. and i'm going to give david and jonathan a chance to catch their breath and get your analysis. i've been flying all morning long and i'm not into man fights. this notion, the headline will be can president obama duplicate,...
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. >> i will say this, you had a "cbs poll" right after the debate of undecided voters, people not made up their mind which is very small, small portion. electorate. by 50-32% margin, those voters believed joe biden won the debate. that is something very key. >> except there were four or five other snap polls. >> not of undecided voters. >> undecided voters cnn. >> cnn had totality of voters. >> the problem gets to what we're talking about what biden's mission was last night. if you're incumbent party and you're still worried about the base with three weeks to go before the general election you're in really tough shape. >> i'm not sure he was worried about the base. >> you just said that was the whole show last night. >> no. no. energizing the base. wasn't getting the base to exactly support, wasn't worried about the base not dropping off and coming out to vote. the base was dispirited because president obama, i thought president obama did not come out and defend in full throated way what the debase wanted to defend you concluding myself. doesn't mean the base is staying home or dispiri
. >> i will say this, you had a "cbs poll" right after the debate of undecided voters, people not made up their mind which is very small, small portion. electorate. by 50-32% margin, those voters believed joe biden won the debate. that is something very key. >> except there were four or five other snap polls. >> not of undecided voters. >> undecided voters cnn. >> cnn had totality of voters. >> the problem gets to what we're talking about what...
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everything we've learned over the last few days, in our polling, in ohio, florida, and virginia, in the cbs/"new york times" polling, it feels like everything has moved to what i would call preconvention, right, before there was a democratic bounce, and before there was any sort of romney bounce, where this is a close race, but when you look in the battleground states there seems to be still a small advantage for the president. look at ohio. i think the most important number of the polls we had today was this early voting result that we found where one in five ohioans have already voted and the president's winning 2-1 among those folks that have already voted. that's a big organizational advantage. he's banking some vote. that's a big deal, and that's an important result to look at. i also think there's some other trend here that i want to keep an eye on which is it seems romney got a bigger bounce in the national polls than we're seeing in some of these states and could it be that there was more room for him to grow in the non-battleground states than there was in the battleground states w
everything we've learned over the last few days, in our polling, in ohio, florida, and virginia, in the cbs/"new york times" polling, it feels like everything has moved to what i would call preconvention, right, before there was a democratic bounce, and before there was any sort of romney bounce, where this is a close race, but when you look in the battleground states there seems to be still a small advantage for the president. look at ohio. i think the most important number of the...
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cnn poll had ryan winning, cbs poll had biden winning. biden was effective when he got back to framing this as a choice of who is on your side. ryan, in the answer on libya was effective when he could get back to whether the past four years justify another four years. those are each strong arguments for those remaining undecided voters, which is why i think the debate, above all, shows we may be headed for the third photo finish presidential election out of the last four. >> jessica, if you listen to the reaction, it appears from joe biden's performance, i think people are saying, you know, joe biden, after that phone call with president obama, his first words were you're welcome. how is the administration dealing with this? do they see it the same way? >> reporter: he went into this happy to be able to defend the honor of the white house and this administration and will probably come out of it feeling he did that. and the administration and the campaign were thrilled with the performance last night for the very reasons ron outlined. espe
cnn poll had ryan winning, cbs poll had biden winning. biden was effective when he got back to framing this as a choice of who is on your side. ryan, in the answer on libya was effective when he could get back to whether the past four years justify another four years. those are each strong arguments for those remaining undecided voters, which is why i think the debate, above all, shows we may be headed for the third photo finish presidential election out of the last four. >> jessica, if...
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cbs gave the nod to joe biden. >> biden did well two. ryan was after the independent, undecided voter. biden was after the democrats that were unenthusiastic about people who were not impressed with the obama debate, the true believers, joe took a couple of five-hour energy tkreupblgt drinks beforehand. maybe he over did it a little bit. came out there, he has white treat that he likes to grimace and show and grin as much as possible. he did what he needed to do which is to stay to democrats, obama had a terrible performs are form answer in the first debate and i made up for it in the second. bill: this is joe biden and paul ryan talking about -- ryan reached the point of frustration with the grimacing and interruptions and the smiling and this is what happened. >> this is a man who gave 30% of his income to char ao a tee, more than the two of us combined. romney ace good man. he cares about 100% of americans in this country. and with respect to that kwoerbgts i think the vice president very well knows that sometimes the words don't come
cbs gave the nod to joe biden. >> biden did well two. ryan was after the independent, undecided voter. biden was after the democrats that were unenthusiastic about people who were not impressed with the obama debate, the true believers, joe took a couple of five-hour energy tkreupblgt drinks beforehand. maybe he over did it a little bit. came out there, he has white treat that he likes to grimace and show and grin as much as possible. he did what he needed to do which is to stay to...
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cbs had one with some focus group. they felt that the vice president won. peggy nuland writes fort second time in two weeks, the democrat came out and defeated himself. in both cases, the republican was strong and the democrat somewhat disturbing. another way to say it is the old man tried it patronize the kid and the kid stood his ground. the old man pushed and the kid pushed back. >> brian: she did not mean that complimentary. >> gretchen: i actually think had is a debate that's going to percolate over a couple of days. when people go back and read and maybe see video and see this reaction, i think it may percolate over time where people will maybe change their opinion of exactly how it went. >> brian: it was -- >> gretchen: i think a lot of people -- i think it rubbed them the wrong way with the attitude. the headlines now. one month after ambassador chris stevens was murdered, the obama administration has named a new american envoy to libya. lawrence pope will represent our country until the white house nominate has new ambassador. >> brian: can they gi
cbs had one with some focus group. they felt that the vice president won. peggy nuland writes fort second time in two weeks, the democrat came out and defeated himself. in both cases, the republican was strong and the democrat somewhat disturbing. another way to say it is the old man tried it patronize the kid and the kid stood his ground. the old man pushed and the kid pushed back. >> brian: she did not mean that complimentary. >> gretchen: i actually think had is a debate that's...